Curse

Chev of Hardass · May 14, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18

(best place I could think for this, feel free to move it)

First and foremost I am a buyer and seller of goods. I spend a few minutes each day in Lions Arch looking for the best deals and looking to get rid of the things that are not top items, but people would want. I use the trade channel for this exclusively.

My trick to selling is to send out my message and change districts, and repeat. Unless I am trying to sell something that no-one wants, this works very well for me. I have sold and bought enough so that my second character was waiting on a Fiery Dragon Sword 15-22, a Scimitar of Enchanting 15-22 and a Zealous Sword 15-22, when he got to Post-seared Ascalon.

Having said that, my second character, a WMo level 8 just got to Ascalon and is ready to start some missions and quests. I went into Ascalon today and found the local channel plagued with WTS and WTB and the like. I could not even read any responses the ticker was going so fast. For those of you that are thinking it, I had the trade filtered, but no one was using that anyway. I spoke up and the sellers started talking amongst themselves about ignoring me if I am annoying.

THIS IS SERIOUSLY WRONG.

CAN WE NOT GET SOME HELP WITH THIS ARENA, NET?

If I have to ignore every seller that posts on the local channel, I WILL run out of room. If I cannot get a group together or do some local chatting, because ot the TRADE chat in the LOCAL chat, Arena Net needs to fix it.

So how about some sort of Moderator? Or a bot that checks for WTB ot WTS of FS. Anything!!! Or a button that reports trade in the local chat window. This would have to account for accidental input, but still be able to be a threaten to those spamming our local chat channel.

Right now the game has less replay value to me, and I am stuck in the mission after Ring of Fire, with no-one to play with for my higher character, and can not find a party due to the TRADE in the LOCAL chat, with my lower character.

Or maybe, everyone could gang up on these violators.

We did ask for trade channel, right? We got it, right? Why is it not getting used?

I think I remember the request for the trade channel being in here......

Post BWE Suggestion thread, Feburary

And aparently some people use the trade channel for what is supposed to be used for here............

Treade channel SPAM discussion

FireOfHell · May 14, 2005, 05:30 PM // 17:30

My guess as to why the trade channel is not getting used is becuase people will turn it off, and others think that no one can hear them. Myself, i turn it off most of the time, but if I need to buy something, I will always turn it off. If spamming gets to be too much in towns, like lions arch, I often find myself turning off both Trade and Local chats.

Chev of Hardass · May 14, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

/Grits teeth and smiles

Maybe you are right.
I turn off both local and Trade when I am traveling with a group.
Maybe they SPAM the LOCAL channel because they think no one wants to read their trade talk.
Maybe, when I am looking for items I keep the trade channel on.
I still need to be able to find a pick up group, if there is one around, to go and adventure with.

Yea Einstein, you have unlocked the secrets of the universe.

NOW, WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE TRADE IN THE LOCAL CHAT CHANNEL?

Sidra Meum · May 14, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Spam reall amounts to a simple thing "Stuff I dont want to hear". Someone complaining about the price of ___ or about some idiot at work, could be considered spam to someone. Especially Trading. What can be done? Basically.. Nothing. Just because there IS a trade channel. Does not mean players have to use it. I know, it sucks... But, that is no rule against someone trading in the local channel. As annoying as it is... Little can be done. You can kindly remind players to use the trade.

Some people have suggested a chat timer - but, that penalizes everyone. Having a 10 second delay would be annoying to someone that is a fast typer and trying to explain things to someone else. Honestly.. even that won't stop people from trading in local.

Phantium · May 14, 2005, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Best thing I can suggest is to mute local, atleast that's what I do.

Chev of Hardass · May 15, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

OK so, it said and done then?

The sellers have taken over the local chat.

When I want to find a pick up party, I have to just wade through the trade to do so.

I am really dissapointed the best anser is filtering the local chat.

THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, what is to be done about the trade SPAM in the local chat channel.

Ohh and here is my argument for why it needs to be done.

If we cannot spam the trade channel with stuff over and over, because someone complained, we should not have to look at the trade in the local channel.

Just because something is right, ohh yea that means you should do it.

I will not let this rest. This issue deserves some real discussion, so don't tell me to filter the local channel. I should only have to flter the trade channel. That is why there are labels.

How about banning those that spam the local channel?
Have a button next to the names in chat, and if enough people hit it, on multiple posts, they get booted.

isilwen · May 15, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

i'll go with chat ban for those who spam local channels >.>.. i sell alot of stuff too but i use trade channel and i find its already hard to sell on trade channel due to spamming going and to make matters worse we got casino operators and their cheated customers spamming local chat too

PieXags · May 15, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

I just turn off trade and local chat, I only leave open guild, whisper, and team regularly. I mean, I don't give a shit what other people are selling, if I need to buy something, THEN I'll turn it on for my purposes. Otherwise...none of my concern.

I guess it is nice though to see when there's a good deal out there, but meh, sacrifices have to be made.

Sidra Meum · May 15, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

OK so, it said and done then?

The sellers have taken over the local chat.

When I want to find a pick up party, I have to just wade through the trade to do so.

I am really dissapointed the best anser is filtering the local chat.

THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, what is to be done about the trade SPAM in the local chat channel.

Ohh and here is my argument for why it needs to be done.

If we cannot spam the trade channel with stuff over and over, because someone complained, we should not have to look at the trade in the local channel.

Just because something is right, ohh yea that means you should do it.

I will not let this rest. This issue deserves some real discussion, so don't tell me to filter the local channel. I should only have to flter the trade channel. That is why there are labels.

How about banning those that spam the local channel?
Have a button next to the names in chat, and if enough people hit it, on multiple posts, they get booted.

Ban them for what? They are not doing anything against game rules. As I previously stated. You might not like it. BUT they are doing NOTHING wrong. They are simply annoying you. Perhaps that is why they keep doing it? To be annoying. Yes, it is rude and inconsiderate when there IS a trade channel. Players still do not have to use it if they do not want to. There is no rule of the game saying they do, and I think it would be very extreme that ANet would have to post a GM in every town and outpost 24/7 to "Police" players from "Spamming" in local chat. What would then be the punishment? Banning them from the chat channel?! For how long? What if someone made a mistake and thought they were in trade or guild chat?

A "Click here to ban this person" because you dont like what they are "Spamming" ( Which can be classified as any type of chat not JUST trading - but also players who spam "LFG - (insert quest here)" ) in the local channel will not work. Its far from a decent or sutiable idea. Another player should not have the ability to "Ban" another player for something. People would be banning eachother from the chat left and right simply because they can. As it is when you click another players name it takes you to auto send them a whisper. Maybe instead a little menu could come up that allows you to choose to Ignore Player, or Send Whisper.

You do have a few choices, however. Ignore the player, or turn off the channel that is being spammed on. As much as you do not want to hear that these are the options you have. They are the only options, and it will more then likely stay that way.

I really do not think ANet see's this as a large issue. They really have done what they can and Honestly - there is LITTLE that can really be done about the issue.

Davey · May 15, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

OK so, it said and done then?

The sellers have taken over the local chat.

When I want to find a pick up party, I have to just wade through the trade to do so.

I am really dissapointed the best anser is filtering the local chat.

THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, what is to be done about the trade SPAM in the local chat channel.

Ohh and here is my argument for why it needs to be done.

If we cannot spam the trade channel with stuff over and over, because someone complained, we should not have to look at the trade in the local channel.

Just because something is right, ohh yea that means you should do it.

I will not let this rest. This issue deserves some real discussion, so don't tell me to filter the local channel. I should only have to flter the trade channel. That is why there are labels.

How about banning those that spam the local channel?
Have a button next to the names in chat, and if enough people hit it, on multiple posts, they get booted.

The easiest way is to just buy them out, but I guess you aren't satisfied with that either are you?

Just kidding.. Anyway, like all the others said, there's nothing to do about it as it isn't against the rules, period.

isilwen · May 15, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by PieXags

I just turn off trade and local chat, I only leave open guild, whisper, and team regularly. I mean, I don't give a shit what other people are selling, if I need to buy something, THEN I'll turn it on for my purposes. Otherwise...none of my concern.

I guess it is nice though to see when there's a good deal out there, but meh, sacrifices have to be made.

that post no offense was lest constructive i seen in this thread. thread is about asking arena about doing something about spammers, not for replies like switch trade and local off. That is like buring your head in the sand like a ostrich

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · May 15, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

I can only speak for myself...I sell every day, or when needed. I don't post what im selling exactly, just a you need it I have it type thing. i post it once then when its completely off the screen i'll post it again....this means posting it every couple minutes at most. I never spam the channel. This method works well for me, people then PM me and ask if I have a sword, or scroll, or staff/wand. this really does keep most of the talking and dealing out of the main window. works for me, and my sales have gone up cuz before I was offereing individual items that some people may or may not want at the time, now they just tell me what they want in PM and i look in my inventory. ;-)

Chev of Hardass · May 15, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Meum

Ban them for what? They are not doing anything against game rules. As I previously stated. You might not like it. BUT they are doing NOTHING wrong. They are simply annoying you. Perhaps that is why they keep doing it? To be annoying. Yes, it is rude and inconsiderate when there IS a trade channel. Players still do not have to use it if they do not want to. There is no rule of the game saying they do, and I think it would be very extreme that ANet would have to post a GM in every town and outpost 24/7 to "Police" players from "Spamming" in local chat. What would then be the punishment? Banning them from the chat channel?! For how long? What if someone made a mistake and thought they were in trade or guild chat?

Wow you are right on here. I have made a new thread asking this to be made a rule. I feel I have very easily made by point to how it benefits everyone in that thread (only took one long sentance), so you can let yourself be convinced.

Chat Channel Rules

They may not be able to post a moderator, but what if the alphas that were still playing had the kill switch, they would not be obligated to watch for this, but they could stop it in its tracks. Moderators seem to work pretty well here on this site, and there are several alphas here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meum

A "Click here to ban this person" because you dont like what they are "Spamming" ( Which can be classified as any type of chat not JUST trading - but also players who spam "LFG - (insert quest here)" ) in the local channel will not work. Its far from a decent or sutiable idea. Another player should not have the ability to "Ban" another player for something. People would be banning eachother from the chat left and right simply because they can. As it is when you click anot=Sidra her players name it takes you to auto send them a whisper. Maybe instead a little menu could come up that allows you to choose to Ignore Player, or Send Whisper.

You obviously did not read my post. I thank you for your input but this is completely off base. I clearly stated that accidents do happen.
My guild infact often sees:

WAIT
Energy Regen
Wrong channel.lol

And then, laughs at me.

I do like the idea that someone could be monitored to see how often they make trade channel/local channel mistakes. If the system that I breifly mentioned was in place, it would require that several instances on different chat lines, by different people were reported. This would reduce the accidental from the intentional.

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Originally Posted by Meum

You do have a few choices, however. Ignore the player, or turn off the channel that is being spammed on. As much as you do not want to hear that these are the options you have. They are the only options, and it will more then likely stay that way.

Your point about turning off the local channel helps none, for those of us looking to group up and play with random people and this is EXACTLY what the local channel is for. Pick up groups are what the game is about, at least partially, for me and many others in this game world.

The ignore thing is a bad idea for those of us that do like to buy and sell items. If one person is spamming the town with crap today, then three months from now they have grown up and use the regular channels.

This person has that uber shield at a reasonable price (because they have found that items are really not hard to come up with, but users can be) and you cannot see the addvertisement.

Who looses then? I agree thie chances that this would happen are slight, but real.

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Originally Posted by Meum

I really do not think ANet see's this as a large issue. They really have done what they can and Honestly - there is LITTLE that can really be done about the issue.

I think you are right here, but it should be an issue. And that is my point.

Paloma Song · May 16, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05

How about adding a strictly LFG channel, apart from local?

A game with no monthly fee will never have staff to babysit chat.

The best way to stop trade in the local channel is self-policing. Not a magic (abusable) ban button, or tattle-tale'ing to ArenaNet. Just players, repeating in local that traders should go to the trade channel, and then adding them to ignore, and encouraging others to do the same.

An auctionhouse/bazaar similar to SWG's/WoW's would help a lot. So would a trade-only dedicated zone, or better yet, a trade-channel that broadcasted to ALL zones - who would use local, when you can reach everyone?

Taphoo · May 16, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Here's what I do...

If the Trading is *that* bad, I go to a different district.
Otherwise, I politely ask people to trade on the Trade channel. That's usually work for me (yeah, I'm amazed too). If they continue or get mouthy, I'll wait a bit, then announce that <playername> is a scammer and ripping people off, right after they post in the main channel. That tends to slow them down while I go about my buisness.

eventhorizen · May 16, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

or if someone is being and absolute git. WTS SWORD 1-2 DAMAGE every second for an hour, just PM spam STFU at him till he stops.

Chev of Hardass · May 16, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Paloma, doesn't a LFG channel sound like it is waiting for be abused by the trade spammers? Just like the local channel is. There is a trade channel and the traders seem to want to use the local channel because people watch it more. You are naieve if you think a LFG channel would solve this problem.

Tapahoo, I like your idea about calling them scammers. I think I will politely ask them to stop, then if they don't stop, "SCAM SCAM". It should not have to come to this, but some people have no respect for those that want to PLAY the game.

Still no real answer, here, but I trying to believe that there is an answer.

The thing that pisses me off the most though, is I only shop from the Trade Channel. These people would sell more stuff if they went about it with some respect.

Dumb Quixote · May 16, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paloma Song

How about adding a strictly LFG channel, apart from local?

A game with no monthly fee will never have staff to babysit chat.

The best way to stop trade in the local channel is self-policing. Not a magic (abusable) ban button, or tattle-tale'ing to ArenaNet. Just players, repeating in local that traders should go to the trade channel, and then adding them to ignore, and encouraging others to do the same.

An auctionhouse/bazaar similar to SWG's/WoW's would help a lot. So would a trade-only dedicated zone, or better yet, a trade-channel that broadcasted to ALL zones - who would use local, when you can reach everyone?

I vote for both of these suggestions. Especially an LFG channel!

Dumb Quixote · May 16, 2005, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

Paloma, doesn't a LFG channel sound like it is waiting for be abused by the trade spammers? Just like the local channel is. There is a trade channel and the traders seem to want to use the local channel because people watch it more. You are naieve if you think a LFG channel would solve this problem.

Truth is... the local chat is full of people just hanging out in town. They are prime targets for sellers. The gamers that are trying to quest are not as prime as we really could care less. And spamming Local obviously works, otherwise they would stop, right? I don't really see the LFG'ers responding quite as much.

Juhanah · May 16, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

I think they should just do like in some other games. Make it so you can't say the same thing more than 3 time in a row. And since there's a couple of way to counter this, they could just make it so that if you write 5 phrases under X seconds you cannot talk for 5 minutes.

It would probably piss off some people.. But at least if everyone announce only once each, the trade channel will be readable and people will most likely be able to find what they're looking for.

It would also calm down people recruiting for their guild. Or kids spamming the chat 60 times to find a party when there's only 10 people in the district.

I never use the trade channel because i never have the time to read anything before it get spammed. And when i want to sell something i just ask people i know or people i party with in missions. If i cannot sell it that way, i just sell it to npc. I don't make lot of money that way but there's no point in having billions of gold.

I think it would be one of the best way.